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Respect: At the intersection of RIE and Reggio Emilia

As we look to incorporate more elements of the Reggio Emilia approach into Carys’ “education” (which I feel I must put in inverted commas because we’re not really “teaching” her much), one of the things I’m very keen to understand is how well it fits with the approach to parenting more generally that has been working very well for us.

On the face of it the fit seems to be a very natural one, because both define themselves as being grounded in respect.

Respect in RIE:

“Respect is the basis of the RIE philosophy” (from RIE.org)

Respect in Reggio Emilia is often described in terms of children’s place in society:

“One cannot have ideas about the first people [the adults] in the community without having ideas about the rights of the last people [the children]” – Mayor Luca Vecchi

“We recognize the rights not of a citizen of the future, but as citizens of today” – Carla Rinaldi (Pedagogical Coordinator and President of Reggio Children); both quotes from presentations to the April 2016 Study Group

Yet when we actually dive in a bit further, we see that this notion of respect plays out very differently in the two approaches.

 

reggio emilia art

Note: We were not able to take photographs in the preschools for privacy reasons, so this series of articles on my Study Group visit feature images from around the town.

 

Observations in a Reggio Emilia Preschool

One of the sessions we spent observing children in a preschool occurred partly over lunch time, and I saw the teachers transition the infant/toddlers (under 18 months) into their chairs for the meal.  Many of the interactions seemed very perfunctory to me and not at all respectful.  Pennie Brownlee, a New Zealand educator and author who has spent four summers studying at the Emmi Pikler Institute in Budapest (where RIE has its origins) posted a great little quiz about respect for young children on her website, which includes the following questions:

Have you ever picked up a baby or child from behind?

Have you ever picked up a baby or child without telling him or her?

Have you ever picked up a baby or child without asking him or her?

Have you ever picked up a baby or child without waiting for them to accept your invitation?

Each of these questions is followed by “Would you like to…[have the same thing happen to you]?”; there are a total of nine questions about what caregivers might have done to a child and nine about what they might want to have done to them.

In that preschool lunch room I saw a teacher pick an ~18 month-old up from behind and “dump” him into a chair with no warning to him; never mind asking him or waiting for his response, and that simple interaction fails four out of Brownlee’s nine questions right there.  While that was the most “extreme” example I observed, it certainly didn’t seem as though the other teachers were all telling (or asking) the other children that they were about to pick them up and put them in their chairs for lunch either (most were old enough to be able to climb onto the chairs by themselves).  So it seemed to me that while the teachers may have respect for the children’s learning, they may not necessarily have respect for the children or their bodies in the same way that RIE advocates.  Obviously this is one interaction on one day in one school, but if these schools are held up as examples for Study Groups to visit then one can only surmise that the teachers are on “good” behavior for the two hours of our visit.

By contrast, it’s by now ingrained in me to the point of habit that I would never pick up Carys without asking her first.  Obviously we’re around each other a lot and I don’t always say “May I pick you up now?” (although sometimes I do); mostly I just wordlessly hold my hands out and await her equally wordless acceptance (she comes toward me and tenses her body in readiness).  After meals, I hold out a cloth in my hands and say “May I wipe your hands now?” and wait for her to put her hand in the cloth.  If she has a cold, I don’t swoop in from behind her to wipe her snot; I hold out the tissue and ask her permission to wipe her nose.  If it’s a safety or sanitary issue and she doesn’t want to give her permission then I don’t just shrug and walk away; there are definitely times when I’ve had to say “I’m going to wipe your nose now” and have wiped it even though she didn’t want me to (acknowledging with “You don’t want me to wipe your nose.  I don’t want your nose to get sore, which might happen if I don’t wipe it.  I’m going to wipe it now.”).  If we need to go somewhere right now then I’ll tell her “I’m going to pick you up now.”  But in general I try to structure our time so she can make choices about her body autonomy, and then allow her to make those choices.

I’ve recently been in touch with Pennie Brownlee in a conversation about art in preschool settings, and she commented that “Malaguzzi, Steiner, Montessori [regarded as the founders of Reggio Emilia, Waldorf, and Montessori approaches to education respectively] – each of them has no provision for the infant. (Infancy ends with the third birthday when the child’s brain has reached between 85% – 90% of its final adult size.).”  I looked back to The Hundred Languages of Children to see what Malaguzzi says about “an educational approach for the littlest children” – apparently the first infant-toddler center for children under 3 years of age opened in 1970.  He cites Bowlby and Spitz on the damage resulting from the separation of the mother-child pair and the Catholic resistance to the breakdown of the family as reasons society was hesitant about the role infant-toddler centers could play in the community.  “Our experience with children aged 3 to 6 years was a useful point of reference was useful but at the same time not a complete answer.  Rather than thinking in terms of custodial care, we argued that their education demanded professional expertise, strategies of care, and environments that were unique to their developmental level” (Hundred Languages p.39-40).  He goes on to discuss how they found that children could have relationships with more than one caregiver and that children seem to benefit from interactive play with peers, but unfortunately gives no further detail on how they modified the approach they used for the 3 to 6s for the under-3s and I saw little evidence of the modification of the traditional Reggio approach in a way that would make it more suitable for the younger children.

I wish had been able to spend more time observing the care of infants in Reggio Emilia; most of the ones in the room I visited were at least nine months old and the majority were closer to 18 months, and they were wrapping up their morning activities by the time I got to their room.  It seems to me that while RIE represents an incomplete approach to care for the post-two year-olds (and while the principles of respect remain relevant at any age RIE practitioners do not attempt to convince us of its complete applicability for older children), Reggio represents an incomplete approach to care for pre-two year-old children.  Respect for children goes far beyond respect for their interactions with materials and based on my (admittedly limited!) observations in a Reggio classroom this respect for the youngest children can sometimes be lacking in a Reggio environment.

 

Leading the child’s educational experience

One of the questions I went into the Study Group with was “How much leading of the child’s educational experience is OK?” and the Reggio-based answer I came out with is “actually, quite a lot!”.

In RIE, we show respect to babies by not interfering in their play: by trusting that they are competent people who can meet their own needs.   Magda Gerber (who founded the RIE approach) said “Children learn all the time, from the day they are born.  If we refrain from teaching them, they learn from experience.  What we need to do is not interfere, step back, and allow learning to happen” (Gerber, p.xiv).   See the videos here, which show parents allowing children the time and space to reach for toys themselves (rather than putting the toy in the baby’s hand), and allowing babies the opportunity to get themselves out of (what seem like to us) difficult situations rather than simply solving the problem for the children.

We also don’t show children how to play: see the video here, of a boy playing quite contentedly with a stacking toy – nobody ever shows him the “correct” way to use it; he simply invents his own way of playing with it.  The same holds true in many other situations – I am quite happy to let Carys climb the slide (as she’s just learned how to do), because I believe there’s no one “correct” way to play on a slide – except when others are waiting, in which case she does need to learn that she can’t monopolize the slide when others want to use it in a different way.  I don’t show her how to use the slide; she understood that she could climb up a slide by observing other children doing it and then by trying it herself (and I was pretty surprised when she made it to the top the first time she tried it).  When she (infrequently) receives a new toy I don’t show her how to use it and instead prefer to let her interact with it in whatever way she chooses, whether or not that’s the way the manufacturer intended.

 

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By contrast, in Reggio Emilia I saw plenty of documentation (the photos and narrative that the teachers maintain to describe and understand the children’s work) with pictures of teachers showing children how to do things like stack blocks and roll balls.

I saw a video where teachers introduced children to a big sheet of corrugated cardboard and marker pens.  The RIE approach would be to let the children experiment with these materials in whatever way the children saw fit – which may or may not include ever taking the tops off the markers!

In the video, the teacher shows a child that if you drag your fingernail down the corrugations, it makes an interesting sound.  So then the child drags his fingernail down the corrugations and it does indeed make an interesting sound.

The teacher thinks it would be interesting to lie down on the sheet of corrugated cardboard to see what it feels like and encourages the child to do the same.

One child climbed onto a big roll of paper and another child wants to get up as well but is much smaller than the first child.  RIE would say that if the child can’t get up by himself, it’s not safe for him to be up there.  The Reggio teacher lifts the child onto the roll of paper – where he is quite happy – but the video cuts away before the child needs to figure out how to get down.

 

A conversation on the intersections between RIE and Reggio Emilia

After I saw that video I posted in a Facebook group that had been set up by and for the Study Group attendees, asking if anyone with experience in both Reggio Emilia and RIE was at the event and would be willing to chat.  Cynthia Evans, who teaches at a Reggio-inspired preschool in Massachusetts and writes the blog TheRisingAction.me volunteered to chat.  Below I summarize portions of our conversation, with her permission.

Cynthia says she used to use RIE more than she does now, partly because she feels that the approach can sometimes be dogmatically applied.  She instead prefers to follow Magda Gerber’s own advice to take from it the most useful parts: Gerber herself said “RIE’s philosophy is not a dogma or a set of hard and fast rules.  Rather, it is a resource for parents.  You don’t have to agree with everything.  You can incorporate into your family’s life what you find useful” (Gerber p.11).

She follows a RIE approach to eating with young toddlers – they don’t have to eat at a set time, but they must sit at the table if they want to eat and the meal ends if they leave the table (she gives preschoolers who have well-developed eating skills some more flexibility).  She also uses RIE thinking on body autonomy by allowing children to do what they feel capable of doing, and not physically assisting with what they’re not capable of doing.

One of Cynthia’s notable departures from RIE is on the issue of conflict resolution.  RIE prefers a typically hands-off approach; blocking one child from hitting another if necessary and but otherwise generally allowing children to sort out conflicts themselves.  Cynthia notes that especially as children get older, they don’t always have the tools to resolve conflicts and that adult support can help them to find creative resolutions that they can also reuse later.  She gave an example of a situation that happened in her childcare center: one boy wanted to sit on a pile of blocks, while another wanted to build with them.  Cynthia used the RIE “sportscasting” tool, reflecting back what each boy was saying to the other as they heatedly discussed the issue for a fairly lengthy period of time, but neither boy wanted to shift his position.  Cynthia suggested that they might seek out a peer who could help them to mediate the conflict, which both boys agreed to do.  The mediator suggested that they set a timer for the boy who wanted to sit on the blocks for a few more minutes, and after that both boys could build – and the mediator would build with them.  Both boys agreed to this solution and abided by the decision.  The boys had reached a point where just sportscasting through a dispute was no longer useful and instead some “scaffolding” (a term I’ll return to over the coming weeks) by the teacher helped them to achieve a mutually agreeable solution.

On reading a draft of this blog post, Cynthia pointed out to me that the video I describe above doesn’t so much depict the teachers showing the children the right way to interact with materials, but instead getting to know the multitude of ways a material could be used.  She says that “There is often a build-up of how children see, use, and think about various materials and this starts at a very young age with the idea in mind that as children develop a strong relationship with the materials, they will be better able to use the materials as tools to aid them in their learning.”  This does make a lot of sense to me, and it’s likely one of those things for which my approach needs to shift as Carys grows and changes and needs support from me in different ways.

Cynthia also noticed (which I did not) that the project shown in the video was a part of either the school’s (or the teachers’ – she’s not sure and I don’t know!) research on exploring the idea of offering young children materials normally reserved for older children.  While I do see the applicability of scaffolding here as well – the teachers were helping the children to see new uses for materials – I think that the very fact that the children hadn’t seen or used these materials before argues for an approach where the teachers take a step back and see what the children might do before offering the teachers’ own suggestions.  After all, who knows what the children might have come up with if the teachers had been less involved, and wouldn’t that have been a more interesting outcome for the research project anyway?

 

reggio emilia art installation

 

Conclusions

Overall it seems as though there was a good amount of dovetailing between the RIE and Reggio Emilia approaches both in theory and as I plan to practice them, even if I felt that the interactions I observed in a Reggio Emilia school were a little lacking in respect from a RIE perspective.  I will acknowledge (again) that I’m not a Reggio expert – or even a RIE expert, although I do have the benefit of 18+ months of practice on that front.  If any experts on either approach would like to weigh in on my thoughts – even if you think I’ve misunderstood something – I’d be most grateful if you would do so in the comments below or reach out to me via email.  I would genuinely like to understand this issue better and welcome your thoughts.

If you’re coming to this blog post from a Reggio background and would like to know more about RIE, I’m offering a free summary of Magda Gerber’s Your Self-Confident Baby to people who sign up to receive my blog updates.  Just enter your email address at the top of the page and the summary will magically find its way to your inbox.

In upcoming posts I’ll explore more about how we’re going to manage this transition between RIE and Reggio Emilia, attempting to address questions like: “Whose responsibility is it to keep children’s motivation for learning high?,” “What are we attempting to achieve when we create situations to inspire learning and what do we achieve?,” and “What is the value, if any, of scaffolding by teachers and peers?”

 

References

Edwards, C., Gandini, L, and Foreman, G. (Eds) (2012).  The Hundred Languages of Children (Third Edition).  Santa Barbara, CA, Praeger. (Affiliate link)

Gerber, Magda (1988).  Your Self-Confident Baby.  New York, NY, John Wiley & Sons. (Affiliate link)

 

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8 Comments

  • Reply
    kendra
    May 24, 2016 at 6:31 pm

    I first encountered RIE when I visited a center in Aukland NZ that was incorporating the two philosophies. There were places where there were actual conflicts; they decided to take the Reggio Emilia practice of providing children with mirrors for them to see multiple perspectives and reflect upon themselves rather than Gerber’s suggestion that they are avoided for example. I was struck by how I saw the babies there treated, and began reading Gerber’s work and Janet Lansbury’s. I loved the tremendous care for children’s bodies I saw.

    Bodies are not so much the project that Malaguzzi and his colleagues set out before themselves. The approach concerns itself with minds, those of teachers, children and their families. Bodies are generally addressed as a mode of expression or a topic of research. The Reggio Emilia approach is an orientation that places relationships among the three protagonists, critical, reflective thinking and beauty at the center. That’s basically the heart and soul of it, so there’s nothing specific to the approach that you bring up in your critique from a RIE perspective.

    I think I see a couple of things. The way that RIE is interpreted here in the US is very individualistic. (When Cynthia mentions the dogma in RIE, I think this is where I see it most. I’ve also found dogma in the ways that we interpret “What Reggio Means” to one another and in our work.

    In Reggio Emilia, the community is very important. While children and their learning are respected tremendously, humans in general are not seen as individually as important in Italy (and in many countries outside the US) as they are here. Personally, I agree that it’s very important, especially with very young children to model consent, to be respectful and not disruptive to children’s attention. .I also don’t generally put children where they can’t get themselves down, mostly because I’m generally with a group of them, and it’s not terribly safe. But in other cultures, interdependence, and deep reliance on one another like this is very typical and it nourishes very close connections.

    I really like this combined piece from you and Cynthia. (I’m happy to work with her.) Lots of people try to address pedagogical differences but usually only from one perspective of expertise. I felt like you touched well on both here.

    • Reply
      Jen
      May 24, 2016 at 7:21 pm

      Thank you for the thoughtful response, Kendra (and you are indeed lucky to work with Cynthia). I like the point you bring up about the differences between the U.S. and other cultures with regards to independence and interdependence. I’m working on another post on symbolic representation (and when children have an understanding of it) and in the process of researching that the connection between the value that Americans put on both independence and creativity came up, so I plan to noodle on that for a while and explore it further once I’ve worked through all my Study Group posts:-)

      In the symbolic representation post I’ll also revisit the idea of the applicability of the Reggio approach to very young children. The distinction you draw between RIE being about bodies and Reggio being about minds is an interesting one; I think the line maybe gets a little blurred with the RIE idea of respecting children as whole, competent people (which to me implies respect for the mind as well…).

      Thanks again for taking the time to comment.

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    Kendra
    May 24, 2016 at 7:49 pm

    Have you read Bambini? That’s the seminal work on infants/Todd in Reggio Emilia. It’s very accessible and addresses some of the questions you raise. It might help your research

    • Reply
      Jen
      May 24, 2016 at 7:55 pm

      I haven’t, but it’s in my library hold queue now – thanks for the recommendation!

  • Reply
    Jenni Caldwell
    May 26, 2016 at 8:24 am

    I am an early childhood educator in Oklahoma. The university I graduated from had an emphasis on infant/toddlers as well as the Reggio Emilia approach. We were taught RIE principles for infants & toddlers, which I use with my own babies at home. In my classroom experiences, I use the Reggio philosophy because I never taught infants & toddlers. These 2 principles are rooted in respect and allowing children to develop their own concepts. They do look different at home and at school, for sure. In my classroom, respect looked more like building community, learning respect for our materials (which is what I believe the teacher with the markers in the video was trying to do), respect for the environment, and respect for each other. We talk through disagreements with me modeling how to do that-sportscasting and teaching how to compromise for the first 1/2 of the school year. After that time period the children usually have it down and can do it independently with me listening from afar but giving them their space. I model how to use materials respectfully (how to put materials away, how to take off and put back on marker lids, how to press gently with markers/writing materials, etc…) without showing them what an end product should look like as the point is for them to express their creativity. We brainstorm ideas together. We work cooperatively in inquiries with them leading the way with what they want to learn. My role is truly as a facilitator or guide in their learning experience. We make mistakes, we get messy, we spill stuff, and I love when those things happen because it gives us an opportunity to problem solve and learn from them. We work together to keep our classroom safe, tidy, and an enjoyable learning space for us all. In my home, with my babies, I use RIE principles. From what I hear you mention, it is very similar to you. When my child is playing, my role is more of an observer and language builder. I use sportscasting to verbalize what he is doing to help him build vocabulary. I allow him to make mistakes and correct himself (just as I would in my classroom) only it looks different because I observe how he will fix the problem and am only there if he gets frustrated to the point of breaking down. Then I will step in and label his emotions and talk him through. “I see you’re frustrated. When you’re frustrated, you can take a deep breath (model) and try again. What if we put this block under here. Look! It stands up now.” In my classroom this might be a small group or even large group discussion of how can we help our friend? I believe both philosophies are wonderful ways to include and involve children in their learning process as well as show them their due respect. They are individuals just like we are with their own needs, wants, likes/dislikes, abilities, frustration levels, etc…both of these philosophies work to respect their uniqueness as well as teaching them how to interact in a community.

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      Jen
      May 26, 2016 at 9:55 am

      Thanks so much for your comment, Jenni – I really appreciate your perspective. It’s interesting to consider the difference in the way we practice respect in a home vs. group care environment, although I think that some of the difference may be due to the fact that you mentioned you’re teaching older children rather than infants and toddlers. I think part of the dichotomy here is the attempt to apply Reggio principles to very young children when perhaps RIE (or at least aspects of it) would be more appropriate. (I’m also working on another post about whether very young children can make symbolic representations, which Reggio practitioners believe they can.)

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    Jenni Caldwell
    May 26, 2016 at 11:24 am

    I agree that the dichotomy is different, but I don’t feel it has to be. We did learn about RIE for infants/toddlers specifically because reggio Emilia didn’t specify anything for infants/toddlers and RIE is such a respectful approach. I have never witnessed a true reggio Emilia school (I plan to visit soon), but I know the Reggio-inspired schools here in Oklahoma that include infants/toddlers use RIE principles with their young ones.

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    Jen
    May 26, 2016 at 11:32 am

    Jenni, it sounds like the schools in Oklahoma are already doing what I believe the schools in Reggio Emilia should consider doing: adopting RIE or a more RIE-like approach to the youngest children:-)

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